Analysts probed for more information on NIIT's plans for NIIT University in the recent Q2 NIIT Investors/Analysts Conference Call on October 27, 2005. Both Vijay Thadani (CEO) and Rajendra Pawar (Chairman) were guarded in their replies and remained vague on most counts. Here's a summary of what they said, followed by the actual conversation in the conference call.
Ashwin Agarwal (Akash Ganga Investments): Congratulations to the NIIT management team on a good set of numbers, particularly on the India retail business. Could you fill us in on the university progress?
Vijay Thadani: Thank you Ashwin.I would ask Mr. Pawar to comment on that.
Rajendra Pawar: We had mentioned last time that we were in discussions with the government, so those discussions are progressing well. We also mentioned that we have identified a site and we have moved ahead on completing the transaction regarding the site. So,that part is progressing, but I should mention that, that is done by an independent entity, which is a society, so NIIT’s role in that is to promote that society and then the society then has to take the idea forward.
Ashwin Agarwal:Is this site near Delhi?
Rajendra Pawar: Its in the neighborhood of Delhi,in the NCR region.
Ashwin Agarwal: Okay, so by when do you feel you would have all the permissions in place to start operations?
Rajendra Pawar: I wish I knew the exact date, but because this is government procedure, that think there has been a reasonable amount of controversy on higher education, but our discussions are I think going very well. So, it is difficult for us to put a date. I would like to do it tomorrow if I could, but I think it has to go through a series of steps in various departments, but all that I can say is that all our discussions are going well and the concerned team has put the plans together quite nicely.
Alok Agarwal (individual investor): One last thing on the university front, I mean in the scheme of things as far as NIIT is concerned, directly for the shareholders and society as a separate entities, how are these two are going to work together as such so that some kind of money can flow to the shareholders of NIIT Limited?
Rajendra Pawar: So as you are aware, even now NIIT is engaged in interaction with about 60 universities worldwide in some form or the other. We have relationship of credit transfer or student transfer and so on. So at one level the idea is to construct a similar relationship with an institution which will be an institution of excellence, which will create a lot of new knowledge, and in the similar kind of the relationship which we have with some universities in UK or US want to build a relationship, but obviously we would be in a position to harmonize given that the Indian market and the Indian situation and so on so forth. So I think it will be a relationship where we would reinforce the capabilities of each other through an arm’s length relationship. So it’s a question of looking at for example research related work happening at the university and vocationalization kind of work happening in NIIT and harmonizing it so they do excellence in their spheres, but they help the overall activity and therefore that’s the way we expect derive value. So in the early phases, we will create value for the university out of our brand experience and understanding and going forward as they build their own capability and competence and intellectual property, we expect two-way movement.
Alok Agarwal: My related question is going to be like is it the university is going to be let’s say like IT engineering college or IT IIT, what is going to be the model?
Rajendra Pawar: Well we do not have too much time for details, but let me summarize and say there is going to be a research university. Its going to do Ph. D. and Masters first, and therefore we are the creator of technology in the knowledge space. That is the key focus of the university and that is how the two are differentiated, and that is how the two will be in force.
Sonal (AIM Capital):In terms of university plans, are you going for deemed university kind of the setup?
Vijay Thadani: That is one of the options.
Sonal: Okay, and in terms of university, are you going for the central universities or you have tried for some university in Madhya Pradesh also?
Vijay Thadani: In Madhya Pradesh actually the Madhya Pradesh assembly as passed the bill for NIIT University, but then after that so many court rulings and various other things are changed and have happened that is in kind of pending status. So we are in touch with on a number of fronts with states and center and we are looking for the best option for us.
Sonal: So, they are couple of states where you are trying for a university kind of ______?
Vijay Thadani: We have been in discussion with a number of states and number of states have been approaching us as well.
Sonal: Okay, and in terms of again coming back to your central university plan, would it be a UGC kind of funded university kind of setup along with NIIT or would it be in entirely funded by NIIT and that kind of setup?
Vijay Thadani: Okay, first the university will fund itself. Obviously it has to receive some funds from somewhere, which could be loan funds, which could be corpuses which it may receive. We are not looking to have any state or center supported financially supported university. That will not fit into our game plan because that does not give you any degree of freedom.
Sonal: A couple of queries, what could be the kind of capex you would require on the university front over next one or two years?
Vijay Thadani: The total funding for the university that we have shared with you over the three-year period was about Rs. 60 crores.
Sonal: This is for the Delhi Central University not the State University.
Vijay Thadani: No, this is for a university. We do not know whether it is a Delhi University or a State University or you know those are what we are attempting at.
Sonal: So, so you may not go for two to three universities tie ups at the same time?
Vijay Thadani: No, sorry, I think I need to clarify. We are talking about setting up a university right. As far as tie-ups are concerned, we have many tie-ups currently and we will have more tie- ups as we go forward, but for setting up the university by itself, what is a university? University is an institution by itself. That institution gets accreditation through a state government, it could get its accreditation through the central government, it could get accreditation through a foreign university or a local university collaboration. So all these are multiple ways by which this institution gets created. Why is it called a university because it has the power to give a formal degree. Now to get that power of formal degree you need one of these accreditations and I am using the word accreditation as means of saying you need the permission of something and you need a statute and a declaration and a notice which says that you can do so.
Sonal: So in Madhya Pradesh were you planning to go for a university or were you planning to go for a tie-up?
Vijay Thadani: When I referred to the Madhya Pradesh story, I was referring to Madhya Pradesh asking or allowing NIIT to setup an NIIT University which will be in Madhya Pradesh and for which the state legislative assemble passed a bill.
Sonal: Okay, Sir am I correct in understanding that Rs. 60 crores capex could be for a multiple of universities combined together?
Vijay Thadani: My feeling is it is for one campus of university in which you can have multiple buildings, but it will be safe to assume that it is a single university instead of assuming it to be multiple universities.
Sonal: Okay, what kind of capex you have already incurred on the university?
Vijay Thadani: University has not incurred any capex so far, because it has a small transit campus facility but that is a very small facility, its like a project office.
Sonal: For the operating expenses because we understand for getting any deemed university permission, you need to hire a lot of Ph.D. and professors so has that already been done or it is?
Vijay Thadani: The university has a compliment of people who are associated with the university, and it has the necessary qualifications.